tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post8619854019955694475..comments2023-05-04T07:00:36.983-07:00Comments on The Kingdom of Naroni: In Which Sidwein Is Frightened ForUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-55001515654932550642013-09-01T00:35:00.554-07:002013-09-01T00:35:00.554-07:00That is a good point! Whenever things went rough(e...That is a good point! Whenever things went rough(er than usual) in Searle-land, his first instinct was to run straight to Uncle Severin. A few valleys aside, the Kemorins probably were the family Searle always dreamed of.<br /><br />You bring up some good points about the noble families! o_O But yeah, it's weird to think that the Dovian Kemorins may just be the most stable Dovian family. And even more weirdly, the other two stable-ish-seeming families, the Tamrions and the Minaras, might be in for some not-so-stability in the near-ish future. :SVanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09325395792013382406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-54096109452315008912013-08-31T23:33:49.999-07:002013-08-31T23:33:49.999-07:00Hmm, I don't think, Searle would have chosen a...Hmm, I don't think, Searle would have chosen anyone but the Kemorins. Severins family always appeared to me as Searle's refuge when he was down. Everytime something bad happened to him (his first marriage (sorry, Danthia), his twin sister's death, Elarys), he came there to catch his breath.<br />And the Kemorins must have looked like the perfect family in his eyes: A father that lets his children marry whoever they want, who (later) more or less shrugged off all the scandals his kids got involved in and who let him stay even though he would have prefered otherwise.<br /><br />Though now that I think about it, even the Dovian Kemorins are probably one of the more stable noble families in the whole series, despite Lonriad Sr. and Rudolphus both being womanizers.<br />After all, the Sadiels (or at least their father) aren't (weren't?) that much saner than the Androneis, the Kelistines have cases of schizophrenia, it seems, the Tamrions I don't know well enough beyond the branch family in Naroni, the Minaras... are more of a Sadiel-made problem, I guess, the Mokonris had Arkon's gambling habit and the Jamorans, of course, have Ietrin (and before that Roderick and Farilon, though both weren't as bad as Ietrin is now).Mimusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-24920674739166634932013-08-31T22:26:01.471-07:002013-08-31T22:26:01.471-07:00If Searle made one good decision, it was bringing ...If Searle made one good decision, it was bringing Viridis Jr. to the Kemorins instead of the Androneis. :S<br /><br />If things didn't change between Celina and her parents after that, I'm going to guess that Searle didn't tell. Cladelia and Haldred may be the worst parents ever, but I'm sure even they would have at least tried to figure out why their daughter tried to kill herself. As for why Searle wouldn't have told... well, extremely bad judgement is rampant in this family. :S<br /><br />Celina visiting Viridis Jr. is certainly a possibility! Seeing her brother's daughter could be good for both of them. Sidwein and Severin could probably stand to get better acquainted too, so there's another reason for that trip; Severin does tend to be a little hard on his younger half-siblings, and he didn't seem to give Sidwein much of a chance last time he visited.<br /><br />Lileina, Claddie, and Learianna too. For the latter two, it was even the first birth! :S Childbirth does not seem to take mercy on the Andronei sisters. Hopefully Celina will be luckier there.Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09325395792013382406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-39344248412144533022013-08-31T21:42:10.021-07:002013-08-31T21:42:10.021-07:00This family gets more and more messed up the more ...This family gets more and more messed up the more you look at it ... 0_0<br /><br />Poor Celina. And Searle -- I know he didn't like his parents (and who can blame him), but did he tell them that he caught Celina attempting suicide? Especially since this would have been after Riona's suicide? (I can't imagine that Celina attempted this when she was 7 years old, which is how old she was when Riona killed herself ...) Because you would think that would have been some kind of a wake-up call.<br /><br />Then again, Riona's death wasn't a wake-up call. Cladelia's death wasn't. Why should I imagine that Celina's suicide attempt would have been ...<br /><br />Still. That is a huge degree of messed-up, on top of all the other messed-up that was going on in that house. (See: Searle and Riona, even if Celina would have been too young to understand what was going on ... probably.) No wonder Celina is so ... strange.<br /><br />And no wonder she's taking Searle's death so hard. I hope that she goes to visit little Viridis Jr. when she's had her baby and is well enough to travel. Maybe it'll do her good to see Searle's daughter. At least, being raised by Severin and Nora, she'll have a healthy dose of sanity in her life.<br /><br />Still. Poor Celina. I hope this doesn't shock her into going out the way too many of her sisters did (I know Lileina and Cladelia both died in childbirth). She's an intriguing character, and I want to see more of her.<br /><br />Sidwein had better take good care of her!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-50176981302989529002013-08-31T19:14:30.039-07:002013-08-31T19:14:30.039-07:00Mimus: I think you're right about Haldred and ...Mimus: I think you're right about Haldred and Cladelia not wanting children. If Haldred hadn't been in line for the barony, or if he'd had a younger brother (his only sibling is the elder Viridis), I could totally see him opting to just remain a bachelor. Cladelia, I think if she had been either religious or an intellectual, she might have taken the veil; I don't think she wanted to be a wife and mother, but that was what her father wanted and apparently she didn't want what she would have been raised to see as the only other option. They both would have been much happier (and messed up fewer people) in a more progressive time.<br /><br />Going by the state of this household, I'm guessing that stress is a huge factor in why Celina was so late getting her period. If she'd grown up in a more functional household with parents who treated her and her siblings in ways befitting of their emotional ages, she might still have been a late bloomer (at least, in comparison with her sisters), but she might have been, say, fifteen-ish as opposed to seventeen.<br /><br />Claddie's particular brand of special needs didn't allow her to mature past a very young age, so forcing her into an arranged marriage was cruel of everyone involved. If she'd been cognitively challenged in a way that still allowed her to function like an adult and to consent to a sexual relationship if she chose, that would have been a different story.<br /><br />Pen: I've known a few people who were treated in age-inappropriate ways by their parents and from what I've seen, it does not seem to be to anyone's psychological benefit. The family history of depressive tendencies here probably doesn't help, and add that to the fact that she was being treated very obviously differently from her siblings, and I figured that Celina's response wouldn't be too unrealistic, at least given her personality.<br /><br />Yeah, it's difficult to gauge how certain events and situations will affect kids in the long run. Cladelia and Haldred seemed to be particularly lousy at that. :S<br /><br />Winter: You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. If this was a modern story, yeah, she could have dropped the family when she came of age, or there could have been a chance of some concerned teacher or other authority figure picking up on an issue and intervening.<br /><br />The Times, though... yeah, unless maybe she'd announced an intention to join a convent, all she could do was check her sheets every morning. I wonder if a convent ever occurred to her, but if she didn't go before things got horrible, I'm going to guess she didn't want that. With that family, Celina's seen enough to seriously question the existence and/or sincerity of a deity, so why devote your life to something that you either don't believe in or that you believe actively despises you? And who knows if her parents would have deemed her capable of making that decision anyway. :S<br /><br />Uh... I don't know? o_O But thank you! And that's a major compliment coming from you; even your extras are wonderfully complex. :)Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09325395792013382406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-57636268800454545232013-08-31T18:54:48.402-07:002013-08-31T18:54:48.402-07:00I can see where Celina is coming from. Her parents...I can see where Celina is coming from. Her parents went far beyond the normal complaint of treating her like a child - they infantilized her, and only her, for something out of her control. Today, she could have held on to the hope that at sixteen or eighteen she could have told them to shove it, but not so much in The Times. No rights, no freedom, no hope beyond, maybe, a convent. I doubt she would have even qualified to be a maiden aunt in their eyes. <br /><br />Celina reminded me a lot of Claudia from the Vampire Chronicles here. She had the mature body but really no sanctioned way of using it, so it wasn't much good to her anyway. Though, I always thought Claudia was a brat and definitely not so with Celina. She's quite sympathetic. And kudos to Searle for saving her. <br /><br />(How do you manage to have 9,000 characters with depth, Van? Are you some sort of wizard?)Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16869680359163911803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-21984388239550944872013-08-31T14:44:06.308-07:002013-08-31T14:44:06.308-07:00It's hard for me to imagine someone being so p...It's hard for me to imagine someone being so psychologically damaged just because her parents babied her. But, I don't know. Parent/child relationships are complicated. It isn't always obvious what will stick with a person during childhood. Then again, mental illness does seem to run in this family...Penelopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16849958697187040289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-26103868560127577722013-08-31T11:51:01.852-07:002013-08-31T11:51:01.852-07:00Maybe they should have taken their unorthodox... n...Maybe they should have taken their unorthodox... ness and run with it. Of course, they seem like the kind of couple who didn't want any children.<br /><br />And considering that there are lots of different reasons, why a woman doesn't get her period (for example if she's in a lot of stress), it is especially low.<br />There were (or are?) even women who didn't get their first period after their first child.<br /><br />Yeah, I remember Claddie. While there are mentally handicapped people that function well on their own (even in romantic relationships), Claddie obviously wasn't one of them...Mimusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-78972747393463552632013-08-31T10:45:52.700-07:002013-08-31T10:45:52.700-07:00Guess so. XD
Haldred and Cladelia were always pre...Guess so. XD<br /><br />Haldred and Cladelia were always pretty awful parents. I think their problem is that they were both so unorthodox themselves that they felt the need to compensate by making everything around them as "normal" as possible. Hence treating Celina like a small child when clearly she wasn't, because society said the magic time was first period. :S<br /><br />If they'd been better at the whole parenting thing, though, Searle and Riona may have still fallen in love; they just would have reacted differently when they found out. But it would have made things worlds better for Celina, and for <a href="http://kingdomofnaroni.blogspot.ca/2010/09/in-which-abrich-gets-opportunity.html" rel="nofollow">Claddie</a> too. Claddie would probably still be alive, because they would have realized it was inappropriate to marry off a little girl trapped in a woman's body.<br /><br />(As for the others... well, we haven't seen any of the youngest two, and Learianna is now dead besides. Tarien seems to have turned out okay, but we've only seen him a couple times and he was never featured prominently. Ditto with Lileina, but I suspect Lileina was always the most well-adjusted of the siblings; weirdly, her being married off so early may have been to her great advantage.)<br /><br />Celina's feelings for Searle are pretty complicated at this point. She tended to go out of her way to help him because he was so determined to be helpless. Then Viridis happened and apparently old habits die hard. Guilt over the origins of her behaviour may very well play into her current feelings.Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09325395792013382406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-50185005331932982013-08-31T06:29:52.490-07:002013-08-31T06:29:52.490-07:00The months are trying to keep up with Naroni! XP
...The months are trying to keep up with Naroni! XP<br /><br />Huh, I always knew that Searle and his twin sister turned out so strange because of the parents...<br />So Celina feels guilty because she did all of the things for her brother out of some strange wish for revenge?Mimusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5454462454354598319.post-40496872709067300552013-08-31T00:24:01.537-07:002013-08-31T00:24:01.537-07:00...how is it almost September? o_O
(Er, in real l......how is it almost September? o_O<br /><br />(Er, in real life.)Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09325395792013382406noreply@blogger.com